Top Producers of African Americans with Law Degrees

[NovaSkegee]

Why aren't you criticizing Miles? Huh?

Did you look at my response on Miles Law School?

I always give backups for my statements. Others tend to just make comments. I always post supportive links and facts. Miles most likely is impacted by its status. American Bar Association (ABA) approval is a critical requirement for any law school.


Miles Law School is not approved by the American Bar Association; however, it is accredited by the State of Alabama and graduates are eligible to take the Alabama bar examination.
http://www.mlaw.edu/prospective-students/apply-for-admission-to-miles-law-school

[Cholly]

NCCU School of Law may need to look at Harvard and Georgetown in order to learn what it takes to produce more African American graduates.

Oh... so you ADMIT that Harvard and G-Towns situation is different huh?

I guess the fact that they are the #2 and #14 ranked Law Schools and HEAVILY endowed mean nothing eh?


Man please.

[NovaSkegee]

Oh... so you ADMIT that Harvard and G-Towns situation is different huh?

I guess the fact that they are the #2 and #14 ranked Law Schools and HEAVILY endowed mean nothing eh?
Man please.

Cholly you really think that it's not odd that 2 of the top law schools, that aren't HBCUs, graduate more black law students than NCCU?

If you don't you're on some other kind of stuff and we'll never agree.

[CASEY@THEBAT]

The question should be what % pass the bar exam and what is the number of graduates.?  Getting into Law school is competitive in the RTP area of NC.  I would question the number of black males at all the institutions listed. With an acceptance rate of 20% many persons who apply do not get in to a school located in a hot area of NC.  I'm sure that will be the case with FAMU in Orlando.  Many bright applicants apply and acceptance in competitive.  The nature of that beast.   That is the deal with NCCU.  It is a very good school of Law has a very good image in the area.  Excellent faculty and students. It may not fit Nova's idea of an HBCU but we like it.

There are 2 public law schools, UNC and NCCU, and 1 private law school, at Duke University, in metropolitan Raleigh-Durham.

Now, FAMU is a new law school and for diversity the state of Florida placed the law school in Orlando and due to there being a law school at Florida State.

Now, with FAMU having one of the most diverse law school enrollments in the country they rank higher than NCCU in terms of black graduates.

NCCU looks bad.

Here are the facts:

Florida A&M University's College of Law Named Most Diverse Law School

May 7, 2010

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – The Florida A&M University (FAMU) College of Law was recognized by U.S. News & World Report for having the most diverse law school in the nation - for the second consecutive year.

FAMU tied for top honors with Texas Southern University the previous year.

The groups that form the basis for the calculations are African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanics, American Indians, and non-Hispanic whites.

http://www.famu.edu/index.cfm?a=headlines&p=display&news=1642

There are four Law Schools in the RTP, NC area and a fifth one fifty miles away in Greensboro, NC  (Elon University),  they are UNC at Chapel Hill, Campbell University Law School, Duke Law School, North Carolina Central University, Elon Law School and Wake Forest Law School.  There is a new one in Charlotte, NC.    Law Schools are highly competitive for admittance.  Its just like Engineering< Medical , Dental and PHD programs.   Professional schools  and skin color isn't a litmus test for admittance.   You can throw Black out of the door and replace with competence.  I'm sure they accept minority student like most school , however, who is a minority at NCCU.   duh?  Look at Duke, UNC, HARVARD, WAKE FOREST, NC STATE, CAMPBELL, MEREDITH, PEACE, ST AUGUSTINE, SHAW, A&T, UNC WILMINGTON, EAST CAROLINA, UNC CHARLOTTE, ASHEVILLE, PREMBROKE, DAVIDSON, AND YOU GET APPLICATION FROM THE BEST OF THEIR STUDENTS COUPLED WITH LSAT SCORES AND GPA'S IT A TOUGH TASK.  SO HBCU IS IN NAME ONLY.   Now the passing rate for NCCU is very high.   

[Ivan]

People plug raw data into statistical models for a reason...

If every law school had the same history, endowments, enrollments, location similarities etc., then just looking at numbers and drawing conclusions would be fair and less debateable...but since that is virtually impossible they use statistical analysis

Like I said in a previous thread you havw to get behind the #'s...statisticians, research scientists, and analysts don't just build models for their health... 

Careful VG....................................................you're getting a little too logical for Novaskegee. You have to make it plain so that he can cut and paste a two page long list of stats or rankings. When you start talking about statistical models, you're gonna lose him.........
 

[CASEY@THEBAT]

People plug raw data into statistical models for a reason...

If every law school had the same history, endowments, enrollments, location similarities etc., then just looking at numbers and drawing conclusions would be fair and less debateable...but since that is virtually impossible they use statistical analysis

Like I said in a previous thread you havw to get behind the #'s...statisticians, research scientists, and analysts don't just build models for their health... 

Careful VG....................................................you're getting a little too logical for Novaskegee. You have to make it plain so that he can cut and paste a two page long list of stats or rankings. When you start talking about statistical models, you're gonna lose him.........
 

I'm through with this post.  It is just too fragmented.  Reasons are gone.  NCCU is the top school in the country for Women.  But I think they had or have the highest passing rate on the bar exam in NC.  Why attend all these schools and not pass the bar?  NCCU prepares it students.

[NovaSkegee]

CASEY@THEBAT those are excuses. The same sort of excuses people gave for why NCCU doesn't offer PhD degree and the university has been around for over 100 years.

You can bet if FAMU didn't graduate a large number of African Americans their alumni would be raising hell.

[NovaSkegee]

But I think they had or have the highest passing rate on the bar exam in NC.  Why attend all these schools and not pass the bar?  NCCU prepares it students.

Oh, so Howard, Florida A&M, Texas Southern and Southern graduates can't pass the bar?

Let's see what percentage of NCCU's white graduates pass the bar compared to their black graduates ....seeing you really want to check out their program in detail.

[NovaSkegee]

Well, one thing is true. NCCU has the top passing rate for law schools.

It would be interesting to know the demographics of their graduates that take the Bar.

2009 Raw Data Law School Rankings*
Schools' Bar Pass Rate (Descending)

1 U. of Wisconsin-Madison 100%
1 Marquette 100% 
3 Baylor University 98.5%
4 Vanderbilt University  97.8%
5 U. of Chicago 97.7%
6 U. of Alabama 97.2%
7 Harvard University 97.1%
8 Duke University 97%
9 Campbell University NC 96.5%
10 Ave Maria School of Law 96.3% 
10 U. of Minnesota-Twin Cities  96.3%
12 U. of Oklahoma 96.2%
12 Brigham Young University 96.2%
14 Columbia University 95.6%
14 Franklin Pierce Law Center  95.6%
16 Boston College 95.2%
17 New York University 95.1%
17 Northwestern University 95.1%
19 Emory University 95%
19 Boston University 95%
21 U. of Montana 94.9% 
22 U. of Michigan-Ann Arbor 94.8%
23 U. of Pennsylvania 94.4%
24 George Washington U.  93.9%
25 Michigan State Univ-DCL 93.7%
26 Washington U. in St Louis 93%
27 Georgia State University  92.8%
28 U. of New Mexico 92.4%
29 U. of Mississippi 92.2%
29 Wayne State U. 92.2%
31 Cornell University 92.1%
32 U. of Detroit Mercy 92%
33 U. of Cincinnati 91.8%
33 U. of Kansas 91.8%
35 U. of Tennessee-Knoxville 91.6%
36 Yale University 91.2%
36 U. of Colorado-Boulder 91.2%
36 U. of St. Thomas 91.2%
39 U. of Memphis 91.1%
39 U. of Toledo 91.1%
39 U. of Virginia 91.1%
42 Georgetown University 91%
42 William Mitchell 91%
42 U. of Georgia 91%
45 U. of Missouri-Columbia 90.8%
46 Drake University 90.6%
47 Southern Methodist Univ. 90.4%
48 Illinois Inst. of Tech. (Kent) 90.3%
49 U. of Iowa  90%
49 U. of Kentucky 90%
51 U. of Pittsburgh 89.9%
52 Oklahoma City University 89.8%
53 Samford U. (Cumberland) 89.7%
53 Temple University (Beasley) 89.7%
55 Loyola U. Chicago 89.5%
55 U. of Notre Dame 89.5%
57 U. of Texas-Austin 89.4%
58 Washburn University 89.3%
59 Fordham University 89%
60 U. of Illinois-Urbana-Champ. 88.8%
60 Louisiana State-Baton Rouge 88.8%
60 Cardozo-Yeshiva University  88.8%
60 St. John's University 88.8%
64 Stanford University 88.7%
65 U. of Houston 88.5%
66 U. of Tulsa 88.2%
67 U. of Missouri-Kansas City 88.1%
67 Florida State University 88.1%
69 Mercer University (GA) 88%
70 U. of South Carolina 87.9%
71 Northeastern University 87.8%
72 U. of Washington 87.6%
73 U. of Idaho 87.5%
73 U. of Maryland 87.5%
73 Wake Forest University 87.5%
73 Duquesne University 87.5%
77 Penn State U. (Dickinson)  87.4%
78 John Marshall 87.3%
79 DePaul University 87.2%
80 Texas Tech University 87.1%
80 U. of Nebraska-Lincoln 87.1%
82 College of William and Mary 86.8%
83 U. of Connecticut 86.7%
84 U. of North Carolina-Chapel Hill 86.5%
84 U. of Arizona (Rogers) 86.5%
86 Albany Law School Union U.  86.3%
87 Southern Illinois-Carbondale  86.2%
87 Villanova University 86.2%
87 Indiana U.-Bloomington 86.2%
90 Hamline University 85.8%
90 Texas Wesleyan University 85.8%
90 Lewis & Clark (Northwestern) 85.8%
90 U. of Utah (SJ Quinney) 85.8%
94 U. of California-Los Angeles 85.7%
94 U. of Maine 85.7%
96 U. of Arkansas-Little Rock 85.6%
96 St. Louis University 85.6%
98 U. of Oregon 85.4%
98 Seton Hall University 85.4%
100 U. of Southern California 85.1%
101 U. of Louisville (Brandeis) 85%
102 U. of California-Berkeley  84.9%
103 U. of Richmond  84.8%
103 U. of Miami  84.8%
103 Roger Williams University 84.8%
103 Indiana U.-Indianapolis 84.8%
107 U. of Akron 84.6%
108 Brooklyn Law School 84.5%
109 Northern Illinois University 84.4%
110 Capital University 84.3%
110 Gonzaga University 84.3%
112 Ohio State University (Moritz) 84%
113 George Mason University 83.8%
114 Willamette University 83.7%
115 U. of South Dakota 83.6% 
116 Case Western Reserve U. 83.3%
116 U. of Arkansas-Fayetteville 83.3%
118 Mississippi College 83%
119 Pepperdine University 82.8%
120 Quinnipiac University 82.7% 
121 St. Mary's University 82.6%
121 Tulane University 82.6%
123 Valparaiso University 82.5%
123 Florida International U. 82.5%
125 U. of California (Hastings) 82.4%
125 Cleveland State U. (Marshall) 82.4%
127 U. of Hawaii 82.2%
128 Suffolk University  81.9%
128 North Carolina Central U. 81.9%
128 Seattle University 81.9%
131 South Texas Col. of Law 81.6%
132 Stetson University 81.5%
133 Ohio Northern University 81.4%
133 American University 81.4%
135 New York Law School 81.3%
135 Northern Kentucky U. (Chase) 81.3%
137 Pace University 81%
138 U. at Buffalo 80.6%
139 New England Sch. of Law 80%
139 Rutgers State U.-Newark 80%
141 Thomas M. Cooley 79.9%
142 Loyola U. New Orleans 79.7%
143 Syracuse University 79.6%
143 Catholic U. of America 79.6%
145 Rutgers State U.-Camden 79.4%
146 Washington and Lee U.  79.2% 
147 Arizona State University 78.7%
148 Touro College (Fuchsberg) 78.4% 
148 U. of Wyoming  78.4%
150 U. of Dayton 78%
151 U. of Florida (Levin) 77.9%
152 Santa Clara University 77.3%
152 Widener University 77.3%
154 U. of Nevada-Las Vegas 76.6%
155 CUNY-Queens College 76.4%
156 U. of North Dakota 76.2%
157 U. of California-Davis 75.9%
158 U. of San Diego 75.5%
159 U. of Baltimore 75.3%
159 Western New England 75.3%
161 Creighton University 75%
162 Loyola Law School CA 74.9% 
163 Florida Coastal 73.7%
163 Regent University 73.7%
165 Hofstra University 73.6%
166 U. of San Francisco 73.3%
167 U. of the Pacific (McGeorge) 72.7%
168 Vermont Law School 71.9%
169 Barry University 71.1%
170 Nova Southeastern University 69.4%
171 California Western 67.6%
172 West Virginia U. 66.3%
173 U. of Denver  65.7%
174 St. Thomas University 64.5%
175 Southwestern Univ. 63.5%
176 Southern University 62.6%
177 Howard University 61.5%
178 Chapman University CA 61.3%
179 Golden Gate University 60.4%
180 Texas Southern University 56.2%
181 Whittier Law School CA 55.6%
182 Thomas Jefferson CA 54.5%
183 U. of the District of Columbia 53.8%
184 Appalachian School of Law VA 46.7% 
185 Western State University 26.4% 

[lil_rattler]

Sidebar:  That Charlotte School of Law should have been an extension campus of our school of law.  Haters everywhere we go.  Que Sera. 

Quietly, Charlotte, Florida Coastal and Phoenix College of Law are all owned by the same company, Infilaw.  On a combined basis, they are going to be far up that last in the near future.   

[WileECoyote06]

Sidebar:  That Charlotte School of Law should have been an extension campus of our school of law.  Haters everywhere we go.  Que Sera. 

Quietly, Charlotte, Florida Coastal and Phoenix College of Law are all owned by the same company, Infilaw.  On a combined basis, they are going to be far up that last in the near future.   

UNC-Charlotte is going to get a law school in the next decade. I'm willing to bet on it. 

[Bison 4 Life]

Nova,

Just because  they are HBCU Law Schools is not a given that the classes are entirely Black American. Heck Howard Medical School is a literal United Nations or races and ethnicities. Same with law school. Now what hurts Southern is that they teach Napoleanic Law which is useless outside of Louisiana. so , that limits its class size..Howard tends to focus on advocacy and civil rights. That maybe a turn off to some.

[y04185]

nova, comparing pass rates from schools in different states makes no sense.  there is not national bar exam.  each state has a different exam.  i know lawyers in north carolina who could not pass the bar.  they went to pennsylvania and passed the bar there.  then they came back to north carolina to practice law. 

[Cholly]

Oh... so you ADMIT that Harvard and G-Towns situation is different huh?

I guess the fact that they are the #2 and #14 ranked Law Schools and HEAVILY endowed mean nothing eh?
Man please.

Cholly you really think that it's not odd that 2 of the top law schools, that aren't HBCUs, graduate more black law students than NCCU?

If you don't you're on some other kind of stuff and we'll never agree.

This is what I meant about YOU being illogical.

You present your argument as if the ONLY factor involved in the NUMBER of black graduates from law school is its' status as an HBCU. Like that is the MOST important issue... the ONLY critical factor.

That is not only simplistic, but IRRATIONAL.

ESPECIALLY when you yourself suggest that:

NCCU School of Law may need to look at Harvard and Georgetown in order to learn what it takes to produce more African American graduates.

Let it go man.

[NovaSkegee]

Nova,

Just because  they are HBCU Law Schools is not a given that the classes are entirely Black American. Heck Howard Medical School is a literal United Nations or races and ethnicities. Same with law school. Now what hurts Southern is that they teach Napoleanic Law which is useless outside of Louisiana. so , that limits its class size..Howard tends to focus on advocacy and civil rights. That maybe a turn off to some.

Yes, that's why I pointed out that FAMU has the most diverse student population at any law school and this is why I posted this comment above.

Well, one thing is true. NCCU has the top passing rate for law schools.

It would be interesting to know the demographics of their graduates that take the Bar.

I understand clearly about diversity within certain programs as at Tuskegee University's College of Veterinary Medicine.