the lying huffington post

[Ken]

Section 9 reads
"all persons present in uniform should render the military salute.......all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart."

However , because Congress did not change the other two sections, the new language only applies when the flag is RAISED, LOWERED, or PASSING in reviews. During the playing of the national anthem and the reciting of the pledge of allegience, the old rules still technically apply.  So even if you are a veteran, if the flag is not being lowered, raised or passing in review, you have to remove your cap.


http://www.usa-flag-site.org/forum/veterans-salute-protocols-3026.html

[Ken]

US Flag Code Section 4-d--The flag should NEVER be worn as WEARING APPAREL, bedding or drapes.   I guess that applies to T-shirts also.

[y04185]

ken, i wasn't there for the opening ceremonies so i don't know how the flag was presented.  neither do you.  i quoted what the u.s. code said.  it is possible that the veterans at the restoring honor rally were indeed correct.  

i talked to a few army brats i know today and none of them place their hand over their hearts.  they stand at attention.

[Ken]

One thing I do know--the 9/11 flag IS the American flag.

[y04185]

One thing I do know--the 9/11 flag IS the American flag.

wrong ken.  prove it.

[Ken]

just showed TWO advertisements of the 9/11 flag.  Do you have any?

[Ken]

More 9/11 Memorial Flags--Do you have any flags for show??


http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-701&va=9+1+memorial+flags

[Ken]

Flag of honor 9/11--Is this an American flag??



http://www.carflag.com/Pricelist/MemorialFlags911.htm

[y04185]

More 9/11 Memorial Flags--Do you have any flags for show??


http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=yfp-t-701&va=9+1+memorial+flags

no 9/11 flag, which, by the way, is not a u.s. flag.

[y04185]

Flag of honor 9/11--Is this an American flag??



http://www.carflag.com/Pricelist/MemorialFlags911.htm

that is not the flag the guy in the photo had. 

when was the u.s. code changed to make any 9/11 flag a u.s. flag.  all because someone sells something does not make it official.

[‘87 Alum]

'87, i wasn't there when they did the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem.  they did have an opening ceremony.  i am only speculating here - i did see him with the flag.  he was on the steps of the lincoln memorial.  the flag was not draped on his shoulder.  if people were asked to stand for the national anthem he might have draped the flag over his shoulder and saluted the colors.  also, the flag that is draped over his shoulder is not the united states flag.  in the blue area was something to remember the 9/11 victims.  he did nothing wrong in draping the flag over his shoulder. 

there is nothing wrong with saluting while wearing a hat.  he was not under cover.  you don't take your hat off while outside to salute.  since he is saluting and people in the background have their hands over their heart i am speculating this was during the national anthem.  i was taught to either stand at attention or salute the flag during the national anthem.  not place my hand over my heart. 

Y -

1. How do you know that guy is a vet?
2. You're assertion is that the flag is not draped on his shoulder but it sure looks like an improper way to hold a flag to me.  And how is it that you can say that's a 9/11 memorial flag?  I assumed it was the US Flag based on the red and white stripes.  You got a pic of this 9/11 memorial flag you mentioned?
3. I guess I see it the same way as Ken does re: removing caps while saluting the flag.

i saw the guy holding a flag with a remembrance of the 9/11 victims.  I saw also saw a photo of him and someone else holding the flag online.  he can put the flag on his shoulder.  it is not a u.s. flag.  if you want to call it a u.s. flag it would be in violation of u.s. code title 4 chapter 1 section 8.

being a veteran he can salute the u.s. flag.  that is found in u.s. code title 4 chapter 1 section 9.  you people should read the proper way to show respect for the u.s. flag.

'87, i don't have a photo of the guy.  if you go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/08/28/GA2010082800047.html and click on photo 11 and 13 you will someone saluting. 

Y -

You say you don't have a photo of the guy but you posted a pic of a man saluting and holding/draping a flag and claimed the Huffington Post said it was unpatriotic.  That is the picture I posed my original question back to you on re: saluting with a cap on.  Do you suffer from Alzheimers or something?

[y04185]

'87, i wasn't there when they did the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem.  they did have an opening ceremony.  i am only speculating here - i did see him with the flag.  he was on the steps of the lincoln memorial.  the flag was not draped on his shoulder.  if people were asked to stand for the national anthem he might have draped the flag over his shoulder and saluted the colors.  also, the flag that is draped over his shoulder is not the united states flag.  in the blue area was something to remember the 9/11 victims.  he did nothing wrong in draping the flag over his shoulder. 

there is nothing wrong with saluting while wearing a hat.  he was not under cover.  you don't take your hat off while outside to salute.  since he is saluting and people in the background have their hands over their heart i am speculating this was during the national anthem.  i was taught to either stand at attention or salute the flag during the national anthem.  not place my hand over my heart. 

Y -

1. How do you know that guy is a vet?
2. You're assertion is that the flag is not draped on his shoulder but it sure looks like an improper way to hold a flag to me.  And how is it that you can say that's a 9/11 memorial flag?  I assumed it was the US Flag based on the red and white stripes.  You got a pic of this 9/11 memorial flag you mentioned?
3. I guess I see it the same way as Ken does re: removing caps while saluting the flag.

i saw the guy holding a flag with a remembrance of the 9/11 victims.  I saw also saw a photo of him and someone else holding the flag online.  he can put the flag on his shoulder.  it is not a u.s. flag.  if you want to call it a u.s. flag it would be in violation of u.s. code title 4 chapter 1 section 8.

being a veteran he can salute the u.s. flag.  that is found in u.s. code title 4 chapter 1 section 9.  you people should read the proper way to show respect for the u.s. flag.

'87, i don't have a photo of the guy.  if you go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/08/28/GA2010082800047.html and click on photo 11 and 13 you will someone saluting. 

Y -

You say you don't have a photo of the guy but you posted a pic of a man saluting and holding/draping a flag and claimed the Huffington Post said it was unpatriotic.  That is the picture I posed my original question back to you on re: saluting with a cap on.  Do you suffer from Alzheimers or something?

'87, it is real simple.  if you are outside and a veteran you do not remove your hat when saluting.  if you are on active duty or wearing a uniform you do not remove your hat when saluting.  the photo i posted has the veteran with a 9/11 flag draped over his shoulder.  a 9/11 flag is not a u.s. flag.  technically, the flag he has is probably incorrect and in violation of the u.s. code.  what part of that do you not understand.  also, i never said the huffington post said it was unpatriotic.  the huffington post said it was ridiculous. 

[‘87 Alum]

my bad...rediculouos vs unpatriotic...

i still think u type in tongues...as i'm very clear in my assertion that the guy pictured was in error.  u r the only 1 here saying he was not in error.  i'll stand firm in my position and you will do likewise, thus, we'll agree to disagree.  no need in getting into a long winded debate about it, especially when others posted the actual regulations as proof and you stated what you think or some heresay from someone.

[Ken]

AND when you google the 9/11 memorial flags--all of them are American flags--red, white and blue.  The internet will reveal the truth.

[y04185]

'87, i am the only one to post the actual u.s. code.  when you are outside you do not remove your hat when saluting.  they are wrong.  is the lieutenant colonel below wrong.  ask the other posters.  

i am correct on this.  if you notice the others automatically take an opposing view to any and everything i comment on.  they will not, for political reasons, agree with me.  instead of agreeing they are silent.  the flag on the veteran's shoulder is not a u.s. flag.  a u.s. flag has 50 stars.  the flag that guy had did not have stars.  

you might want to ask those who started out opposite of me are now conspicuously silent.  you might want to ask them why they cower instead of admitting i am right on this.  you do not remove your headgear when you are outside to render a salute.  it is a moot point when you are under cover because you remove your headgear when under cover.  unless you are carrying a weapon.  they know that.  you might want to ask them why they won't admit it.




civilians in uniform outside saluting the flag.  why are they wearing hats.  


'87, ask the other posters why the marine did not remove his hat.


a soldier outside saluting the flag.  ask the others why he did not remove his headgear.


from the army.mil website.  a veteran saluting while wearing his hat.