My conversation with a hardline conservative on issues including Obama

[Bison66]

Bison, you are doing the dodge.  There is fat in every federal budget.  In every department.  You should know that.

 
Reading, y04, is essential.  I already addressed that point (waste).  If you can't respond to my challenge, just forget it.

Let's start with something that can be cut and not adversely affect the constituents.  Print everything in English.  Make English the official language.  Just think how much money would be saved.

 

You get points for that - in the abstract hypothetical sense.
 
Are you saying that you would advocate that as a candidate in NC?
I think there are many constituents who would be affected.  Am I wrong about the demographics I have observed while visiting North Carolina?  Or, are they all illegal aliens and therefore not constituents.

 

When I become King here's how I balance the budget.....if we are 10% over budget I envoke a 10% across the board reduction of every department. That way everyone is going to feel the pain....even the special interest groups. GO VIKINGS!!!

Are you including entitlements like Medicare, Medicaid (for the poor) and Social Security, which are a huge and growing part of the budget?
 

[uchighlander]

Bison, you are doing the dodge.  There is fat in every federal budget.  In every department.  You should know that.

 
Reading, y04, is essential.  I already addressed that point (waste).  If you can't respond to my challenge, just forget it.

Let's start with something that can be cut and not adversely affect the constituents.  Print everything in English.  Make English the official language.  Just think how much money would be saved.

 

You get points for that - in the abstract hypothetical sense.
 
Are you saying that you would advocate that as a candidate in NC?
I think there are many constituents who would be affected.  Am I wrong about the demographics I have observed while visiting North Carolina?  Or, are they all illegal aliens and therefore not constituents.

 

When I become King here's how I balance the budget.....if we are 10% over budget I envoke a 10% across the board reduction of every department. That way everyone is going to feel the pain....even the special interest groups. GO VIKINGS!!!

Are you including entitlements like Medicare, Medicaid (for the poor) and Social Security, which are a huge and growing part of the budget?
 

Yes ,I would. GO VIKINGS!!!

[Ken]

The political reality is no ELECTED politican is going to touch social security or mediciare at this time.  That is why they just use all the other groups for cuts or talk about tax cuts as if that is going the solve the problem.  Bush tried to change SS and got no where.  As the comedian Mort Sahl said, "Show me an honest politican and I will show you a man who has never been elected." Governing is a lot more difficult than being elected.

[Bison66]

The political reality is no ELECTED politican is going to touch social security or mediciare at this time.  That is why they just use all the other groups for cuts or talk about tax cuts as if that is going the solve the problem.  Bush tried to change SS and got no where.  As the comedian Mort Sahl said, "Show me an honest politican and I will show you a man who has never been elected." Governing is a lot more difficult than being elected.

That's why highlander said, he would do this as "King."

It remains to be answered what to cut as a politician.  Except of course for soflorattler, who said NASA, Defense,

 

[y04185]

swh, when Hugh Shelton was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff I watched him get grilled on Capitol Hill about the military budget.  The sad thing is he had to explain to democratic congressmen that past budget cuts is now costing the government money.  He gave the example of cannibalizing parts.  He used a five ton truck as an example.  He said congress would not give proper funding to replace brake linings, drums, seals, etc.  He told them now instead of needing those parts the truck needs a complete brake system to be replaced.  He gave them example after example of how budget cuts was now costing the government more money.

[Bison66]

swh, when Hugh Shelton was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff I watched him get grilled on Capitol Hill about the military budget.  The sad thing is he had to explain to democratic congressmen that past budget cuts is now costing the government money.  He gave the example of cannibalizing parts.  He used a five ton truck as an example.  He said congress would not give proper funding to replace brake linings, drums, seals, etc.  He told them now instead of needing those parts the truck needs a complete brake system to be replaced.  He gave them example after example of how budget cuts was now costing the government more money.

Shelton was talking about peanut$ compared to unnecessary and unwanted (by the Pentagon) billion dollar weapons systems that were funded because sub-contracts were spread out all over key Congressional districts in order to "ensure" support for them.

Every Fed dept head could cite examples as Shelton did.  But, it's a diversion from the big bucks that could be saved.  At least, the Obama admin has started to cut back on these unneeded weapons systems.

 

[DaBassman]

that is another issue...everyone wants to cut taxes.....well people in order to pay for stuff you gotta have taxes...you just cant cut everything and then have no revenue...

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  I'll be glad when SC GOP realizes this.

[DaBassman]

We can start by cutting the salaries and bennies of those serving in the Congress by 1/2...and cut off their exorbitant pensions as well...

Agreed.  Like making them pay for their health care like we do. 

[Bison66]

Bison, your little research did not take into account getting subsidies for not planting certain crops, planting crops and letting them rot in the field, and getting subsidies to use certain practices to plant, cultivate, and harvest crops.  It is a lot more than just price subsidies.

Could be I am wrong, because I found that data in about 10 seconds. 

But you'll excuse me for not just taking your word that food prices would increase by 200% to 1,000% ("2- 10 times more") without subsidies.  Even you've got to admit, that "sounds" ridiculous.  Doesn't mean it ain't true.

If you have a source to justify your claim, I'd love to see it.

I know you don't have it in you to admit you made a mistake., so I won't even go there.

 

Well, y04, it's been quite a while.........

You have no proof, do you?, of your assertion that without subsidies, food prices would increase by 200% to 1,000%.

It sounded ridiculous from the jump.
 

[soflorattler]

*snicker*

[y04185]

Bison, the info I had was when I was in elective office.  If you doubt it you can check with the USDA. 

I will try to find some info tonight.

[soflorattler]

Bison, the info I had was when I was in elective office.  If you doubt it you can check with the USDA. 

I will try to find some info tonight.

But...but...you posted with such authority on the issue! Like you KNEW the deal!!

[y04185]

You want proof.  I will look it up.  I do know the USDA has the information.  I just have to find it.  That would be easier than digging through papers and scanning it.  Also,  the info has not changed much.  Nobody has proof stating otherwise.

[soflorattler]

You want proof.

Noooo, boss. We thought that you HAD proof already, and were putting it out there with authority!! You already sold us the car! whudda ya mean that you gotta go back order the engine for it??

[Bison66]

You want proof.  I will look it up.  I do know the USDA has the information.  I just have to find it.  That would be easier than digging through papers and scanning it.  Also,  the info has not changed much.  Nobody has proof stating otherwise.

Well, well...
Now that's the spirit...and adult and logical to boot.

If someone makes an assertion of fact, it is not up to the one who doubts it to prove that the assertion is correct.

y04 is correct: "Nobody has proof stating otherwise." in the limited sense that no one here has posted such.  The info I found in about 10 seconds may not be, as y04 claims, comprehensive.  It does, however, IMO, cast doubt on his claim.

But, ya'll can still put me down as skeptical that food prices would be 200% to 1,000% higher without subsidies.