Disrepecting, name calling & insulting Titles of Threads by O-dan Posters

[Twin Que ASU]

Enough is enough.

Twin Que ASU and Bison66 have joined together – across the aisle, so to speak - to ask all Posters on Onnidan Politics Forum to ignore any and all threads where the TITLE of the thread disrespects the President of the United States by calling him out of his name, or using nicknames for him.

We have NO interest in stifling discussion by anyone or about anyone.  However, current disrespectful behavior has discouraged several people from participating and we are all the worse for not having their input and insights.

We feel that - given the already polarized atmosphere in the country and on this board – IGNORING THREAD TITLES INCLUDING DISRESPECT will foster more productive and less antagonistic debate and discussion.  Of course, this effort has no direct impact on any particular poster’s choice to name-call or disrespect anyone in THEIR OWN POSTS within a thread.  That is within the responsibility of the Forum Moderators to monitor and act.  We simply ask that Posters raise the level of debate.

We, as participating Posters/Members of the Forum, have the right, the choice, and the ability to decide in which threads we will participate.  This does not infringe on anyone’s speech, but it may encourage a healthier climate for discussion.

In the same spirit, we ask ALL Posters to refrain from using insulting or demeaning terms for fellow Posters in THREAD TITLES.  Like retorts of disrespect and name calling serves no purpose and fuels the joust of ignorance.  Please try to remember we are a group of college trained people who should be above and beyond name calling and petty insults

If there is a topic worthy of discussion, but which starts with a disrespectful TITLE, any Poster may start a substitute thread to discuss that issue or concern, while we continue to IGNORE THE DISRESECTFUL ONE.  Posters, let us all agree to resist temptation.  If more than one person begins a substitute thread, we suggest that the originator of the latter thread delete it - if s/he chooses to do so.

Twin Que ASU previously made a sustained and valiant effort to encourage one poster to stop such disrespectful references to our President and that poster said he would.  However, that poster’s commitment was soon broken.  Bison66 sincerely apologizes for any of his past thread titles that were disrespectful to anyone – but, at the same time, he does not believe in ‘unilateral disarmament’ re: name-calling.

It is our hope that – especially given the abuse and disrespect that Black people suffered throughout society, which included others refusing to address us as Mr., Mrs. or another title we had earned, even in the courts – civility and respect will be given more breathing space on this Forum.

We seek YOUR consideration and cooperation and we call on everyone to support this simple, non-intrusive, and constructive effort to elevate our discussion to a level more suitable to grown, mostly college-educated people.  

Signed:
Twin Que ASU & Bison66

We ask for co-signers from all camps to join us with this effort

Why wasn't this request made when Bush was the President? Just asking. Anyone care to answer? GO VIKINGS!!!

You know the answer to that one. However u, I am going to play their little game.

Just as a point of clarity, we specifically made this case for the Office of the President --- not a named person.  Not sure what comments were made before but I am one to say I think that disrespecting the office is wrong..PERIOD.  I (speaking for me only) think that disrespectful dialogue amongst one another is pointless, disrepectful and unnecessary in intelligent dialogue.

[Bison66]

highlander,

Since you are just asking, I will just be answering.

First off, as Twin said, neither of us was here on Onnidan at that time.  [EDIT: Re-reading I am not sure Twin was saying he was not here - he just said that he wasn't sure what was said.]

However, there is another factor and I don't know if you can relate, which we mentioned and which is important to many.  If you'd like to explore it further, then you can begin another thread- maybe in the General Discussion forum - about why Black folks are so "sensitive" about such things:

It is our hope that – especially given the abuse and disrespect that Black people suffered throughout society, which included others refusing to address us as Mr., Mrs. or another title we had earned, even in the courts – civility and respect will be given more breathing space on this Forum.

I bolded that part to emphasize that Black folks had to GO TO COURT to require attorneys questioning us IN COURT as witnesses (or referring to us as complainants or defendants) to refer to us with simple decency and human respect.  If I recall correctly, the argument was that the obvious and apparent lack of respect was prejudicial to the consideration of the testimony of Black witnesses.

Does that help?

Finally, as far as I know there was nothing stopping you or anyone else from proposing during Bush's presidency what Twin and I have proposed now.  But if you had, someone might well have asked you how come it wasn't done, on this board or another, when Clinton was in office.  Would you have a response for that?

 

[eagle pride]

I try not to speak against presidents period.  I for one wanted Bush to be successful.  But we cannot ignore the financial strain that was put on families during his time in office.  Even that, I tried to be respectful.  Most anger towards Bush were because of some things he did.  Most anger towards Obama are......hum, you tell me.  He hasn't been in office long enough to really judge.  The President seems to be doing a lot of damage control.  President Obama is also talking about somthing that's very important, and that is health care.  I have horror stories in my church about people that can pay for health care, but they can't get it. 

Oh, and yes, sign me up.

Eagle Pride 

[oldsport]

I try not to speak against presidents period.  I for one wanted Bush to be successful.  But we cannot ignore the financial strain that was put on families during his time in office.  Even that, I tried to be respectful.  Most anger towards Bush was because of something he did.  Most anger towards Obama is......hum, you tell me.  He hasn't been in office long enough to really judge.  The President seems to be doing a lot of damage control.  He is also talking about somthing that's very important, and that is health care.  I have horror stories in my church about people that can pay for health care, but they can't get it. 

Oh, and yes, sign me up.

Eagle Pride 

I'll tell you what most anger toward Obama is about....it's what he's attempting to do.

[eagle pride]

I try not to speak against presidents period.  I for one wanted Bush to be successful.  But we cannot ignore the financial strain that was put on families during his time in office.  Even that, I tried to be respectful.  Most anger towards Bush was because of something he did.  Most anger towards Obama is......hum, you tell me.  He hasn't been in office long enough to really judge.  The President seems to be doing a lot of damage control.  He is also talking about somthing that's very important, and that is health care.  I have horror stories in my church about people that can pay for health care, but they can't get it. 

Oh, and yes, sign me up.

Eagle Pride 

I'll tell you what most anger toward Obama is about....it's what he's attempting to do.

This really doesn't make sense to me.  Whatever he does is going to make folk angry regardless.  The man is being hated because of what?  The party he is in?  The school he attended?  What? Some folk are fighting against his health care plan and they have no idea as to what it says.   

[uchighlander]

highlander,

Since you are just asking, I will just be answering.

First off, as Twin said, neither of us was here on Onnidan at that time.  [EDIT: Re-reading I am not sure Twin was saying he was not here - he just said that he wasn't sure what was said.]

However, there is another factor and I don't know if you can relate, which we mentioned and which is important to many.  If you'd like to explore it further, then you can begin another thread- maybe in the General Discussion forum - about why Black folks are so "sensitive" about such things:

It is our hope that – especially given the abuse and disrespect that Black people suffered throughout society, which included others refusing to address us as Mr., Mrs. or another title we had earned, even in the courts – civility and respect will be given more breathing space on this Forum.

I bolded that part to emphasize that Black folks had to GO TO COURT to require attorneys questioning us IN COURT as witnesses (or referring to us as complainants or defendants) to refer to us with simple decency and human respect.  If I recall correctly, the argument was that the obvious and apparent lack of respect was prejudicial to the consideration of the testimony of Black witnesses.

Does that help?

Finally, as far as I know there was nothing stopping you or anyone else from proposing during Bush's presidency what Twin and I have proposed now.  But if you had, someone might well have asked you how come it wasn't done, on this board or another, when Clinton was in office.  Would you have a response for that?

 

Bison....I can appreciate your answer but if I would have made the same request for Bush there would have been plenty of posters who would have said he didn't deserve respect in spite of being president. There would have been a clear distinction made between the office and the man. There is a very evident bias on this board in favor of Obama and rightly so.....it is as it should be but don't expect everyone to buy into this kumbuya moment. I respect the office of the president but that doesn't mean I have give Obama a pass on everything........in my opinion he hasn't done one thing on his own valition that has been positive for this country....not one. GO VIKINGS!!!

[Bison66]

highlander,

Let's stay focused on this thread, rather than shifting away to a discussion of what the President has or has not done.

Thanks for appreciating my answer. 

However, one aspect you did not address is what your response would have been - had you launched a similar effort during the Bush years - to those who might have asked why you (or someone) had not done the same thing when Clinton was being accused of murder, etc, and being called out of his name.

I gave you a very particular and, to me, important, reason for the difference in the current circumstances and, frankly, I do not think there is a parallel.  Perhaps you can show me where I am wrong.

 

[LULions]

I'm in !

[Jay_Thomas]

  I've actually been IGNORING certain posts[ers] for some time now.   

[Brother Tony]

 

[DaBassman]

highlander,

Since you are just asking, I will just be answering.

First off, as Twin said, neither of us was here on Onnidan at that time.  [EDIT: Re-reading I am not sure Twin was saying he was not here - he just said that he wasn't sure what was said.]

However, there is another factor and I don't know if you can relate, which we mentioned and which is important to many.  If you'd like to explore it further, then you can begin another thread- maybe in the General Discussion forum - about why Black folks are so "sensitive" about such things:

It is our hope that – especially given the abuse and disrespect that Black people suffered throughout society, which included others refusing to address us as Mr., Mrs. or another title we had earned, even in the courts – civility and respect will be given more breathing space on this Forum.

I bolded that part to emphasize that Black folks had to GO TO COURT to require attorneys questioning us IN COURT as witnesses (or referring to us as complainants or defendants) to refer to us with simple decency and human respect.  If I recall correctly, the argument was that the obvious and apparent lack of respect was prejudicial to the consideration of the testimony of Black witnesses.

Does that help?

Finally, as far as I know there was nothing stopping you or anyone else from proposing during Bush's presidency what Twin and I have proposed now.  But if you had, someone might well have asked you how come it wasn't done, on this board or another, when Clinton was in office.  Would you have a response for that?

 

Bison....I can appreciate your answer but if I would have made the same request for Bush there would have been plenty of posters who would have said he didn't deserve respect in spite of being president. There would have been a clear distinction made between the office and the man. There is a very evident bias on this board in favor of Obama and rightly so.....it is as it should be but don't expect everyone to buy into this kumbuya moment. I respest the office of the president but that doesn't mean I have give Obama a pass on everything........in my opinion he hasn't done one thing on his own valition that has been positive for this country....not one. GO VIKINGS!!!

UCH stop beating around the Bush.  You are implying that the posters here are bias, hypocritical, maybe even racist your favorite word, toward Pres. Bush but we want ya'll to give Pres. Obama a pass because he's black.  Is that what you are saying?  Are you biased toward President Obama?  Your answer alone indicates as much because you have already made a conclusion about the man before he has really had time to do anything.  I could certainly say the same thing about Pres. Bush and he was in office for eight years.  I am certain now that you are one of the folks hoping he fails and thus the nation will fail.  I guess you are unpatriotic because that's what you would have said about me had I said what you said about Pres. Bush.  By the way if you have so much respect for the Presidency why are you not showing respect to the POTUS.  I have yet to see you write Pres. Obama anywhere.

[TUTiger]

PLEASE COUNT ME IN

[Twin Que ASU]

highlander,

Since you are just asking, I will just be answering.

First off, as Twin said, neither of us was here on Onnidan at that time.  [EDIT: Re-reading I am not sure Twin was saying he was not here - he just said that he wasn't sure what was said.]

However, there is another factor and I don't know if you can relate, which we mentioned and which is important to many.  If you'd like to explore it further, then you can begin another thread- maybe in the General Discussion forum - about why Black folks are so "sensitive" about such things:

It is our hope that – especially given the abuse and disrespect that Black people suffered throughout society, which included others refusing to address us as Mr., Mrs. or another title we had earned, even in the courts – civility and respect will be given more breathing space on this Forum.

I bolded that part to emphasize that Black folks had to GO TO COURT to require attorneys questioning us IN COURT as witnesses (or referring to us as complainants or defendants) to refer to us with simple decency and human respect.  If I recall correctly, the argument was that the obvious and apparent lack of respect was prejudicial to the consideration of the testimony of Black witnesses.

Does that help?

Finally, as far as I know there was nothing stopping you or anyone else from proposing during Bush's presidency what Twin and I have proposed now.  But if you had, someone might well have asked you how come it wasn't done, on this board or another, when Clinton was in office.  Would you have a response for that?

 

Bison....I can appreciate your answer but if I would have made the same request for Bush there would have been plenty of posters who would have said he didn't deserve respect in spite of being president. There would have been a clear distinction made between the office and the man. There is a very evident bias on this board in favor of Obama and rightly so.....it is as it should be but don't expect everyone to buy into this kumbuya moment. I respest the office of the president but that doesn't mean I have give Obama a pass on everything........in my opinion he hasn't done one thing on his own valition that has been positive for this country....not one. GO VIKINGS!!!

UCH stop beating around the Bush.  You are implying that the posters here are bias, hypocritical, maybe even racist your favorite word, toward Pres. Bush but we want ya'll to give Pres. Obama a pass because he's black.  Is that what you are saying?  Are you biased toward President Obama?  Your answer alone indicates as much because you have already made a conclusion about the man before he has really had time to do anything.  I could certainly say the same thing about Pres. Bush and he was in office for eight years.  I am certain now that you are one of the folks hoping he fails and thus the nation will fail.  I guess you are unpatriotic because that's what you would have said about me had I said what you said about Pres. Bush.  By the way if you have so much respect for the Presidency why are you not showing respect to the POTUS.  I have yet to see you write Pres. Obama anywhere.

Q82 -- et al,
I agree with what you wrote and how you wrote it!!!
All, I want it made perfectly clear that I AM NOT HAPPY WITH MUCH OF WHAT HAS COME FROM THE OVAL OFFICE; on the other hand, I am not nor will I disrespect the POTUS with the terms and phrases used by some on this forum.  That is my position from start to end.  Unlike some, I do not hope he fails!!!  I do hope some of the things he does change for the good of this country and all concerned.  Much of the rhetoric spewed is inaccurate and incorrect.  Much is also true!!!  I think the President is entitled to let his agenda function before criticism.  If it fails, then let the respectful criticism begin.....  I am not asking for a pass for him because some of his ancestors look like mine!!!

[uchighlander]

highlander,

Since you are just asking, I will just be answering.

First off, as Twin said, neither of us was here on Onnidan at that time.  [EDIT: Re-reading I am not sure Twin was saying he was not here - he just said that he wasn't sure what was said.]

However, there is another factor and I don't know if you can relate, which we mentioned and which is important to many.  If you'd like to explore it further, then you can begin another thread- maybe in the General Discussion forum - about why Black folks are so "sensitive" about such things:

It is our hope that – especially given the abuse and disrespect that Black people suffered throughout society, which included others refusing to address us as Mr., Mrs. or another title we had earned, even in the courts – civility and respect will be given more breathing space on this Forum.

I bolded that part to emphasize that Black folks had to GO TO COURT to require attorneys questioning us IN COURT as witnesses (or referring to us as complainants or defendants) to refer to us with simple decency and human respect.  If I recall correctly, the argument was that the obvious and apparent lack of respect was prejudicial to the consideration of the testimony of Black witnesses.

Does that help?

Finally, as far as I know there was nothing stopping you or anyone else from proposing during Bush's presidency what Twin and I have proposed now.  But if you had, someone might well have asked you how come it wasn't done, on this board or another, when Clinton was in office.  Would you have a response for that?

 

Bison....I can appreciate your answer but if I would have made the same request for Bush there would have been plenty of posters who would have said he didn't deserve respect in spite of being president. There would have been a clear distinction made between the office and the man. There is a very evident bias on this board in favor of Obama and rightly so.....it is as it should be but don't expect everyone to buy into this kumbuya moment. I respest the office of the president but that doesn't mean I have give Obama a pass on everything........in my opinion he hasn't done one thing on his own valition that has been positive for this country....not one. GO VIKINGS!!!

UCH stop beating around the Bush.  You are implying that the posters here are bias, hypocritical, maybe even racist your favorite word, toward Pres. Bush but we want ya'll to give Pres. Obama a pass because he's black.  Is that what you are saying?  Are you biased toward President Obama?  Your answer alone indicates as much because you have already made a conclusion about the man before he has really had time to do anything.  I could certainly say the same thing about Pres. Bush and he was in office for eight years.  I am certain now that you are one of the folks hoping he fails and thus the nation will fail.  I guess you are unpatriotic because that's what you would have said about me had I said what you said about Pres. Bush.  By the way if you have so much respect for the Presidency why are you not showing respect to the POTUS.  I have yet to see you write Pres. Obama anywhere.

I have always called him Obama or president.....would you prefer " o holy one" ? Please note that I referred to Bush in the same manner.Now who brought the word race into this discussion? It wasn't me but for some reason you keep accusing me of bringing it up? Why is that? I hope his POLOCIES fail....when will you understand that? By the way...I'm sure you were saying very polite things aout Bush when he was in office weren't you?

 As far as making the suggestion on behalf of other presidents....my answer probably would have echoed what you basically said....go ahead...no ones stopping you. My question still stands though....if everyone respects the office so much how come this wasn't proposed for Bush? GO VIKINGS!!!

[Bison66]

highlander,

When I answered that VERY SAME question earlier, I wondered out loud if you could relate.

It is obvious that either you couldn't/don't OR you didn't read/understand my answer to you.

You want to read it again?  If not, no problem.

But don't even try pretending that your question was not answered in, shall I say, Spades.