Descendants Of A Slave See The National Treasure He Saved at White House

[NovaSkegee]

nova, they don't say i'm european.  they say the country their ancestors hail from.  big difference.  

what country in africa are you from?  

Do you not read well?  You must have missed your world history classes back in high school.


The reason why African Americans today claim an entire continent instead of saying a county name of origin is because the kingdoms, empires and city states that blacks came from in the 1400s, 1500s, 1600, 1700s and 1800s don't exist today on a map and the current map of Africa has borders that result from the The Berlin Conference of 1884–85 where Europeans drew the current borders of what are now independent African countries.

What is now Ghana never had those borders prior to Europe colonizing the region. It didn't even become Ghana until 1957. Same goes for what is now Nigeria..... it didn't become this until October 1, 1960.

Africans were forced to mix ethnic groups creating an offspring conecting people who had strong blood lines that link them to the North, South, East and West of Africa. Also, those whites in the Americas forced theses enslaved Africans to not discuss their places of orgins, their ethnic groups or their religion.



Egyptian Empire (1570 BC – 1070)
Kushite Empire (760 BC – 656)
Carthaginian Empire (575 BC - 146)
Aksumite Empire (50 AD - 937)
Kanem Empire (700 AD - 1376)
Wagadou Empire (Ghana Empire) (750 AD - 1076)
Fatimid Caliphate (910 AD - 1171)
Almoravid Caliphate (1061 AD - 1147)
Almohad Caliphate (1121 AD - 1269)
Ethiopian Empire (1137 AD - 1974)
Ayyubid Sultanate (1171-1254)
Marinid Empire (1195 AD - 1465)
Manden Kurufa (Mali Empire) (1235 AD - 1645)
Mamluk Sultanate (1250 AD - 1517)
Songhai Empire (1340 AD - 1591)
Jolof Empire (1360 AD - 1889)
Kingdom of Kongo (c. 1395 - 1857)
Bornu Empire (1396 AD - 1893)
Oyo Empire (1400 AD - 1895)
Adal Sultanate (1415 AD - 1555)
Benin Empire (1440 AD - 1897)
Sennar Sultanate (1502 AD - 1821)
Kaabu Empire (1537 AD - 1867)
Mutapa Empire (1430-1759)
Kingdom of Zimbabwe (1220-1450)
Kingdom of Luba (1585 AD - 1885)
Lunda Empire (1660 AD - 1887)
Aro Confederacy (1690 AD - 1902)
Asanteman (Ashanti Union) (1701 AD - 1894)
Fante Confederacy (1868-1874)
Ouattara Empire (Kong Empire) (1710 AD - 1894)
Bamana Empire (1712 AD - 1896)
Sokoto Caliphate (1804 AD - 1903)
Wassoulou Empire (1878 AD - 1898)
Zulu Empire (1787-1887)
Hausa Kingdom -7 states
-Daura(unknown - 1806)
-Kano (998 - 1807)
-Katsina (1400 - 1805)
-Zazzau (1200 - 1808)
-Gobir (1000 - 1808)
-Rano (1000 - 1800)
-Biram (1100 - 1805)

Africans in the Americas can claim the entire continent




Colonial Africa


Map of when African nations came about


What kingdom of Africa exist in 2009 that an African American could claim as their home? Europeans made sure of that.

So, tell me why should not blacks in the US not call themselves African American?

[NovaSkegee]

y04185 why is it that whites don't tend to add American after they say "I'm Irish" or "I'm Italian" or "I'm Greek", "I'm German"?

Better yet why even claim this when they were not born in those countries and their parents were not? Also, when many may not even speak one of the native languages or may have never even traveled to Europe.

Some white Americans seem to be more proud of their European heritage than their American citizenship.

When will white Americans claim to be American first over thier European heritage? Why do they say things such as: "Ohio and Wisconsin have a lot of German neighborhoods", "This is the Italian part of New York City". "Proud to be Irish", etc..

[y04185]

y04185 why is it that whites don't tend to add American after they say "I'm Irish" or "I'm Italian" or "I'm Greek", "I'm German"?

Better yet why even claim this when they were not born in those countries and their parents were not? Also, when many may not even speak one of the native languages or may have never even traveled to Europe.

Some white Americans seem to be more proud of their European heritage than their American citizenship.

When will white Americans claim to be American first over thier European heritage? Why do they say things such as: "Ohio and Wisconsin have a lot of German neighborhoods", "This is the Italian part of New York City". "Proud to be Irish", etc..

for the very reason they don't say i am european.  they are not prouder of their heritage.  they believe in the red, white and blue more than their ethnic origin.  they proudly went to europe to fight the italians and germans. 

your african argument is weak.  yugoslavia did not exist until 1919.  Turkey 1923.  israel 1947.  czechoslovakia 1918-1992.  bangladesh 1971.  they don't claim the continent.  they claim their country. 

you are not african.  you are an american.  i would suggest you go live in africa.  in order to do that you would have to pick a country.  you are unable to do that.  the concept of africa being a continent and not a country is beyond you.

btw, it is not just whites.  kenyans, ethipians, south africans, etc. do it also.  so do koreans, japanese, chinese, mongols, etc. 

[NovaSkegee]

1st Nope, you don't make the rules, that's something you need to learn to just deal with. African Americans get to do that. See Europeans erased the nations that the blacks in African came from. Whites in the United States and in the Americas wanted to have, what they thought would be ultimate power, that was through forced mixing up ethnic groups of people from the North, South, East and West of Africa. Due to this they created the most powerful child from Africa. Thus, this child now lay claim to the entire continent.  I guess you forgot about the Pan-African Movement? Of course you did. You missed out on African history, African American history and lack knowledge on the Africa people of Latin America and Europe.

As the whites in America may want to claim a spot of land. The blacks in the Americas decided that their ethnic crossing, that was forced onto them, gave them the right to claim the entire continent. Thus, this is why when you travel to Africa one finds that the native population feels tied to their relatives in North America (including the Caribbean), Central America, South American and in Europe. Don't sleep travel there and find out. Africans on the continent love African Americans. The only time you may find different is when some of the Christianized Africans migrate to the United States and come in contact with African Americans who have been lied to all their lives to think of native Africans as backwards. This creates sometimes poor relationships only in the United States itself. But, never this way in Africa.

This is what happens when one tries to divide a people. It never last long. Sort of like chickens coming home to roost in a way.


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2nd Nope, you seem to still be scared to answer why white Americans lay claim to their European heritage first. I guess it could be because they know they took this land from a number of First Nations and not only created a holocaust in the 1930s and 40s in Europe,...but, they did it in North and South America with the native people and they did it with the Africans.


Why else do you think the world outside the US responded they way they have to the United States electing its first black president?  Why do you think the world responded to Michael Jackson the way they did? Why do you think the world who follows sports followed Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan in the way that they did? Why do you think whites at the top of their political power, or at the top of their entertainment or athletic skill don't get the same reception when they travel the world? I wont answer just giving you a little to think about  



y04185 why is it that whites don't tend to add American after they say "I'm Irish" or "I'm Italian" or "I'm Greek", "I'm German"?

Better yet why even claim this when they were not born in those countries and their parents were not? Also, when many may not even speak one of the native languages or may have never even traveled to Europe.

Some white Americans seem to be more proud of their European heritage than their American citizenship.

When will white Americans claim to be American first over thier European heritage? Why do they say things such as: "Ohio and Wisconsin have a lot of German neighborhoods", "This is the Italian part of New York City". "Proud to be Irish", etc..

[y04185]

nova, name one white american that is more proud of their european heritage than being an american.

the bottom line is you have no clue where your ancestors were from on the african continent.  if you knew you would not refer to yourself as an african.  you were refer to your heritage from the locale in africa where the are from.  regardless of what it is called today.

an american whose ancestors immigrated from the ottoman empire will tell you they are a turk.  not an ottoman.  same with bangladesh.  they don't say i am an east pakistani. 

using your rationale people from spain should call themselves romans.  same for people from morocco, libya, tunisia, turkey, france, germany, and england.

[NovaSkegee]

nova, name one white american that is more proud of their european heritage than being an american.

The ones that say things such as: "I'm Irish", "I'm Italian", "I'm German", "I'm Greek", "I'm Dutch", "I'm Polish"....when they were born here in the United States, their parents were born here in the United States.  When they don't even add "American" attached to the said country of ethnic origin.

[y04185]

nova, wrong again.  this country is known as the melting pot.  saying i'm irish or whatever does not mean they are not proud to be an american.  if it makes you feel better i'm french.  some of my ancestors came from france. 

why should they add american.  there is no such country called french-america.  hey, if you want live in such ignorance may you be blissful. 

[NovaSkegee]

nova, wrong again.  this country is known as the melting pot.  saying i'm irish or whatever does not mean they are not proud to be an american.  if it makes you feel better i'm french.  some of my ancestors came from france.  

why should they add american.  there is no such country called french-america.  hey, if you want live in such ignorance may you be blissful.  

Nope, blacks in the US say African American. Whites don't.

Now please tell me.....since you have yet to answer it.

y04185 why is it that whites don't tend to add American after they say "I'm Irish" or "I'm Italian" or "I'm Greek", "I'm German"? Why don't they say "I'm American"?

Better yet why even claim this when they were not born in those countries and their parents were not? Also, when many may not even speak one of the native languages or may have never even traveled to Europe.

When will white Americans claim to be American first over thier European heritage? Why do they say things such as: "Ohio and Wisconsin have a lot of German neighborhoods", "This is the Italian part of New York City". "Proud to be Irish", etc..

Again, it doesn't matter if you don't like the fact that blacks in the US use the term African American. You don't make the rules. African Americans do and did.

[y04185]

nova, that is the country of their heritage.  in some cases it is two countries.  i.e. scotch-irish.  they do not use the continent of europe in any way.  their is no need to.  just like china town is not china-american town.  it does not mean they are less proud to be an american.  to state your ethnicity and/or your country of origin and still defend this country is what makes the united states of america so great.

africa is a continent.  not a country.  the question should be why do blacks want to associate themselves with a continent that does not want them.  if you know where in africa you came from like alex haley you will be accepted. 

i know blacks who were born here who say they are either kenyan, ugandan, or whatever they call people from senegal.  their parents or grandparents immigrated here.  they are americans and proud to be americans.  there is nothing wrong in claiming your ancestral roots.  your problem is you have no idea where in africa you are from.  the african clothes you have hanging in your closet could be the colors and designs of you ancestral enemies.  that is why it makes no sense to call yourself an african-american.

[NovaSkegee]

y04185 these whites in America who say the types of things I've posted above love Europe more than the US. Notice too how these same white Americans tend to be so into Europe.  They love European culture better than American. They glorify anything that comes from Europe over American.

[eagle pride]

Shaking my head at Y.   Thanks Nova for the education. 

[y04185]

nova, that is not true.  with your logic someone who says i'm a virginian loves virginia more than america.  it is not true.  i'd be willing to bet i grew up around more whites than you.  they were italians, french, irish, germans, etc.  not a single one loved their ancestral home than the united states of america.  most of the time you knew where they were from before you knew what they were.  you are dead wrong on this one.

[NovaSkegee]

Shaking my head at Y.   Thanks Nova for the education. 

You're welcome.

y04185 just deal with the fact that blacks in America call themselves African American. You make no rules here. Just accept it and move on to other topics.

[NovaSkegee]

klg14 thanks for posting this article by the way.

[y04185]

nova, you make no rules.  especially the silly ones that americans of irish, italian, french, german, etc. descent are prouder of their heritage than being an american.