Descendants Of A Slave See The National Treasure He Saved at White House

[klg14]

See:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/08/descendants_of_the_slave_who_s.html

[NovaSkegee]

Just  a thought. ....I posted this in another topic.

It seems to read better and have more mean if this were titled:

Descendants Of An Enslaved African See The National Treasure He Saved at White House

I think it's just time we state things to show that this was a condition not acceptable but, a forced condition on people in the Americas.

[y04185]

Just  a thought. ....I posted this in another topic.

It seems to read better and have more mean if this were titled:

Descendants Of An Enslaved African See The National Treasure He Saved at White House

I think it's just time we state things to show that this was a condition not acceptable but, a forced condition on people in the Americas.

if he was not born in africa he would not be an enslaved african.  he would be a slave.  regardless where he was born he was still a slave.

[NovaSkegee]

if he was not born in africa he would not be an enslaved african.  he would be a slave.  regardless where he was born he was still a slave.

Then use the term enslaved black. But, keep this in mind. All black people in the United States were called Africans and were not American citizens until after 1868.

This took place during the War of 1812, on Aug. 24, 1814.

The Fourteenth Amendment was adopted on July 9, 1868.

Section 1 reversed the Dred Scott decision which ruled that black people were not and could not become citizens of the United States or enjoy any of the privileges and immunities of citizenship.

Dred Scott v. Sandford 1857, was a decision by the United States Supreme Court that ruled that people of African descent imported into the United States and held enslaved, or their descendants, whether or not they were enslaved, were not protected by the US Constitution and could never be citizens of the United States.



Do white people in the U.S. have to be born in Ireland, Italy, Scotland, Germany or Poland for them to call themselves: "I'm an Irish Catholic", "I'm Italian", "I'm Scottish and French", "I'm German" or "I'm Polish".

[y04185]

nova, africa is a continent.  they don't say i am european american.  big difference.

[NovaSkegee]

nova, africa is a continent.  they don't say i am european american.  big difference.

No, they don't...that's because people say "Irish", "German", "Scottish", "Italian" all without even adding American. It's rare to even hear American whites add the American after they say "I'm Irish".

The reason why African Americans today claim an entire continent instead of saying a county name of origin is because the kingdoms, empires and city states that blacks came from in the 1400s, 1500s, 1600, 1700s and 1800s don't exist today on a map and the current map of Africa has borders that result from the The Berlin Conference of 1884–85 where Europeans drew the current borders of what are now independent African countries.

What is now Ghana never had those borders prior to Europe colonizing the region. It didn't even become Ghana until 1957. Same goes for what is now Nigeria..... it didn't become this until October 1, 1960.

So, I don't think you'd ever hear a black person in the Americas claim an African country by name typically, because when their families came to the Americas none of these borders we know today existed.

So, no you are not correct. Also in the early days of the United States many Africans knew where they came from by kingdom, country, city state and their ethnic group. It was whites in the Americas that told these Africans not to speak of where they came from and not to speak the language of their homeland.

Also, many blacks in the Americas were forced mixed with African ethnic heritage from the north, south, east and west of Africa. Thus, the black in America has every right to claim the entire continent as his/her home.

Question for you. Why do white Americans say things like: "I'm Irish", "I'm Italian", "I'm Dutch" etc.. when they weren't born there. Their parents weren't born there and they can not speak the native languages and many have never even traveled to Europe?

Why don't white people in the United States add American after saying for example "Italian"? As a matter of fact many whites in America seem to be more proud of their European heritage than they are of their American citizenship.

[NovaSkegee]

nova, africa is a continent.  they don't say i am european american.  big difference.

In 1977, it was proposed that the term "European American" replace "white" as a racial label in the U.S. Census, although this was not done. The term "European American" is not in popular use in the U.S. among the general public or in the mass media, and the terms "white" or "white American" are commonly used instead.

The term is different from Anglo American, which denotes the cultural sphere shared by the United Kingdom, the English dominated speaking United States, and sometimes English Canada.

"Caucasian American" within the United States simply "white") is an umbrella term and includes anyone having their origins in any of the original people of Europe:
 
German Americans
Irish Americans
English Americans
Italian Americans
Polish Americans
French Americans
Scottish Americans
Scotch-Irish Americans
Dutch Americans
Norwegian Americans
Swedish Americans
Russian Americans
Ukrainian Americans
Greek Americans
Romanian Americans
Hungarian Americans
Slovakian Americans
Bosnian Americans
Czech American

[y04185]

nova, you still don't get it.  they don't say they are european-americans.  btw, there are no asian-americans.  there are no south american americans either. 

you don't see european clothing.  you don't see european art.  you don't drive european cars.  you have irish clothing.  german clothing.  italian clothing, etc.

you don't see asian clothing.  you don't have asian art.  you don't drive asian cars.  you have japanese clothing.  korean clothing. chinee clothing, etc.  the japanese, koreans, and chinese don't even look alike.

Same for south america.

those people were right in rejecting the european-american label.

[Shelt from Skegee]

y,

Please don't go through this with Nova again.  I already did it. 

Enslaved (insert nationality here), or (insert nationality here) slave.  It reads the same and has no further connotation.

Like I said when we went through this before.  No one chose to be a slave.  The very definition of the word slave means forced servitude.  That's forced, as in against his or her will.

[NovaSkegee]

nova, you still don't get it.  they don't say they are european-americans.  btw, there are no asian-americans.  there are no south american americans either.  

you don't see european clothing.  you don't see european art.  you don't drive european cars.  you have irish clothing.  german clothing.  italian clothing, etc.

you don't see asian clothing.  you don't have asian art.  you don't drive asian cars.  you have japanese clothing.  korean clothing. chinee clothing, etc.  the japanese, koreans, and chinese don't even look alike.

Same for south america.

those people were right in rejecting the european-american label.

y04185 why is it that whites don't tend to add American after they say "I'm Irish" or "I'm Italian" or "I'm Greek", "I'm German"?

Better yet why even claim this when they were not born in those countries and their parents were not? Also, when many may not even speak one of the native languages or may have never even traveled to Europe.

By the way most US cities have art museums that have wings dedicated to European art.

Examples:

Art Institute of Chicago
-European Decorative Arts
http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/eurdec

High Museum of Art (Atlanta)
-European collection
http://www.high.org/main.taf?p=2,1,5

Brooklyn Museum
-European Art
http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/opencollection/european_art/

[y04185]

nova, they don't say 'i'm european.'  even in art museums the artist's country of origin is listed.

[eagle pride]

I don't mind being called African American.  It keeps the connection to our native land. 

[y04185]

I don't mind being called African American.  It keeps the connection to our native land. 

too bad they don't want to be connected to you.

[NovaSkegee]

nova, they don't say 'i'm european.'  even in art museums the artist's country of origin is listed.

You're avoiding the question. I guess because you know this is something that is common among whites.

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y04185 why is it that whites don't tend to add American after they say "I'm Irish" or "I'm Italian" or "I'm Greek", "I'm German"?

Better yet why even claim this when they were not born in those countries and their parents were not? Also, when many may not even speak one of the native languages or may have never even traveled to Europe.

Some white Americans seem to be more proud of their European heritage than their American citizenship.

[y04185]

nova, they don't say i'm european.  they say the country their ancestors hail from.  big difference. 

what country in africa are you from?